I’m Done Defending Ghost Producers

Image via WD Fyfe
Image via WD Fyfe

We uncovered some sketchy moves in the industry in the past few weeks, and the response has us shaking our heads. First we had DJ Snake, who retweeted our link to his blatant copy of a remix that Breaux did months earlier. There was five hours of radio silence from both parties, then Breaux and Snake simultaneously denied that there was any issue and swept it under the carpet, saying that the upload was a mistake. A mistake that Snake retweeted before going to sleep and deleted when he woke up.

Then we saw Ookay’s credits removed as a co-producer on Diplo’s remix of Avicii’s “You Make Me.” We had screenshots of his Twitter and Facebook pages as he was just hearing about this snafu. We were immediately asked to remove the screenshots, but the iTunes link still lacks credit for Ookay‘s work on this record. And as we attempt to help right these wrongs, co-producers and ghost producers continue to fold. They are promised compensation, consideration, and don’t want to look like they’re rocking the boat. They’re scared of stopping the gravy train.

As writers, we’re consistently asked if we’re scared of the industry blacklisting us for poking at the issue. It could happen, surely. But there are countless labels and artists that appreciate the fact that we’re riding out for musicianship and upholding some sort of ethical code. There are also people that ask if our goal is to be known for drama. This issue makes up .01% of our overall content, and if you have been paying attention, we have made nearly 6000 posts in the last year that have nothing to do with ghost production whatsoever. The bottom line is the fact that we’re supposed to walk on eggshells in a business with blatant disregard to ethics is ridiculous, and it wouldn’t be an intriguing or sensitive subject if everyone was truly happy.

This is all while we have websites coming at us saying that our stories prove to be false. Our stories were correct, were covered up only after we spoke on them, and might have never been resolved had we sat idle. We also have fans of false idols scream “BLASPHEMY!” at any word that their favorite DJ might be getting some musical help behind closed doors, and everyone fails to consider that we wouldn’t tarnish our reputation by publishing speculative pieces. Even with solid evidence, everyone looks the other way, as college kids moonlighting as journalists send darts our way by facts supported only by prepared statements from PR firms.

But when you think for a minute, there are deeper issues at hand. Relatively unknown producers are fueling the popularity of those in power in the industry, and this practice is undeniably going to be the factor that busts the EDM bubble. More and more local DJs, producers, and small venues are struggling, and we’re curious if it has to do with the market pushing overpriced acts and $500 festival ticket prices with lineups that are almost identical to every other $500 festival. The distribution of these tens of billions of dollars isn’t anything close to fair or equal. The asking price for headlining DJs is skyrocketing off of the back of work they didn’t create, and it’s forcing promoters to pay opening acts next to nothing.

Sadly, even if you’re creating competitive music, it’s becoming harder and harder to land DJ gigs and press without a budget. It’s also much easier to seem relevant when you can pay websites for positioning and companies to buy fake likes and follows. Fans and promoters take these numbers as a legit measure of quality. And, of course, headlining DJs can afford to pay young and hungry producers to craft sounds for them so they can scoop the profits needed in order to stay on top. The biggest names have the biggest pockets, and it’s turning our culture into a real-life game of Monopoly.

The myth that favors or exposure is a surefire way to getting your own bookings has permeated the industry, and this is completely false. Ask any opening DJ in any city whether their spot opening or closing for a headliner actually did anything for their career. This holds true with co-production and ghost production as well. Unless a bankrolled artist is truly putting you on their team and helping push your brand, you’re walking away with a small check and a cool addition to your press kit.

In the past year, I’ve applauded Benny Benassi and Bassjackers for their openness on the subject of ghost production. I wrote an open letter to ghost producers that was unanswered. We exposed Juke Ellington for stealing other people’s records, then caught him a second time. We’re letting you know that DJ Mag has created a production school that could easily turn into a warehouse for ghost producers… with the help of Google.

We’ve also let you know that the one company in EDM that cares most about the bottom line, SFX Entertainment, recently partnered with Clear Channel. Additionally, Marcus provided marvelous quotes on his article last month, one where Beatport CEO Matthew Adell says that he does not “care what happens before the speaker. As a fan I only care what comes out of the speaker,” and another from SFX president Robert Sillerman who states “I know nothing about EDM,”…“I really don’t. Of course, I’ve listened to it and I understand its appeal. It’s borderless, it’s free, it’s energetic, it’s a party, it’s a party in your mind-and I understand that.” When you spread all of this information into a dozen articles, it’s a dozen eye-opening articles. When you look at it as one cohesive piece, it’s frightening.

So ghost producers are effectively handing their art to millionaires who give more of a fuck about business than they do about helping you, ensuring things are fair, paying it forward, or keeping this game competitive. And the irony is the amount of texts, emails, and phone calls I get from headlining artists when one of these pieces go up. They’re pointing out musicians that have changed styles completely, making quiet suggestions for ghost producers that I should reach out to, and cheering me on. But it’s behind closed doors, and means nothing until someone grows some balls and says “Nappy is right,” or the next wave of artists gets waved up. I’m sitting here fighting a battle that nobody else is sending soldiers into.

So in a couple months, I’m going to talk about one producer that slipped up, spice things up with legal documents and statements from someone in power that actually cares about this industry, ether someone’s career completely, and leave the entire subject alone. But until then, we’ll be over here wondering if the industry or it’s fans actually give a fuck about ghost production, or if they’re thinking of the potential long-term harm it’ll cause all of us. I’m done trying to right the wrongs in this business until someone else decides to stand up with me.

  • CAKE

    Well done.

  • Michelle Vendel

    props

  • whistleblower

    start with ETC ETC producing “Express Yourself”

    • TIMMY

      I KNEW IT WAS HIM

      • iknowthetruth

        HOW ABOUT JESSE SLAYTER PRODUCING ETC TUNES?

        • Guest

          you are an idiot

  • tibby trillz

    great article but i cant help but wonder about whether or not the fans would care all that much. this is a scene that pays 500 bucks to watch some asshole throw cake and its a scene that seems to be completely okay with a new country edm hybrid song (that avicii monstrosity) which is the audio equivalent of chocolate covered pizza. good taste and ethics probably dont factor in too much. id like to think that great art will came back into vogue but i really doubt it so might as well have a completely plastic scene for plastic people

  • Ethical Blogger

    Well done on this article Nappy. Myself as a blogger as well, we hear too many times that “no this information is false” or the possibility of being blacklisted which is fucking stupid. Own up to being caught and not being an ethical producer, not have a PR firm spin it another way. I agree that all blogs should listen less to the “remove this post” from PR companies because in the end, we are the media. Free Speech.

  • Ryan

    Great article…and unfortunately I don’t think anyone except insiders care anymore.

    Ghost producers were here before EDM and they’ll be here after this bubble pops.

    Best thing DAD can do is continue to shine light on unknown/little known but talented producers, giving them a shot to breakthru without having to whore out their talent to bigger names for the hope of blowing up.

    • IKNOWTHETRUTH

      EXACTLY. STOP FIGHTING FIRE WITH FIRE.

    • anon

      and how do they vet producers to make sure that the uknown’s that aren’t ripping each other off or using ghost producers and faking it as well? they can’t visit and travel to every single home studio and still find fresh upcoming talent to put on their site. It’s all done online. The only thing they can do is name and shame and hope that that will at least get rid of the temptation to some small degree.

    • H8er

      The Enronbubble of dancemusic, POFF!

  • Amen Acid

    Great article. I’m excited to see what you present us with!

  • IKNOWTHETRUTH

    Start with Jesse Slayter producing ETC ETC tunes…GET THESE GUYS THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!

    • Iametc

      Your an idiot. I worked with Jesse on 1 remix . And are in talking about working on another . Lol all of a sudden he’s my ghost producer . Check the sounds – jesses sounds are completely different than mine. U would tell if u compared tracks. What is he in the studio making my hits while I sit at home and counting my money? I don’t even have hits. Lol .. I make music , make my own music and w/ people. If my names on it, I worked on it .

      • LeDoom

        I can attest to what Etc is saying, he and I have worked on multiple tracks together. Material that HE and i wrote together.. not one for the other or vice versa. “Iknowthetruth’ can go suck a dong

      • Guest

        I can vouch for that

      • Evan Adamson

        I can vouch for ETC ETC. I’ve seen him working on his OWN music on the road, first hand, and you can definitely tell that they have completely different sounds. He has no reason to ghost produce, because he can make music pretty darn well on his own.

      • Udachi

        Jose (ETC) is a stand up dude, and a hard working man that does his own music. I’ve heard it evolve over the years, and you can definitely tell when it’s an ETC!ETC! tune.

        Plz stop with the witch hunt shenanigans! This is more of an issue that reflects on the state of our country, cool shit happens, someone with a ton of money comes along, monetizes it and leaves all the hard working ppl and originators in the dust.

      • James Bowser

        Get em’ homie! Been with you since you came up n’ you got a great feel. Haven’t had the chance to catch your live set but next time yours in the B’more DC area I’ll be there. As a struggling producer you guys in the underground are the biggest inspiration, doin it for the love and the music and not the money. Fuck the hype and disregard the haters man keep on doin that thang baby

      • Cousin Cole

        I’m Done Defending Ghost Commenters

    • Kid CEDEK

      DUDE, Who the fuck are you anyway? You really don’t even know ETC!ETC!? You really think you know these Artists just because you seen their shows or follow them on twitter? You can’t just speak out of line cause you think you know anything about anything.

      Look at peoples history and their past, if you really knew you would probably STFU. Just think twice before you say some stupid shit that makes no sense next time-

      Head butter churner

      • Bimjo Baggins

        While I agree that this dude is an idiot, let’s dispense with that idea that if I don’t know someone personally I can’t comment on their work, or speculate about it’s origins. Otherwise the only people that would say anything about you are your friends and the only nasty shit that would ever get said would be behind your back.

        Don’t be ignorant and that applies to you Kid Cedek just as much as the original idiot

        • Kid CEDEK

          i can get with that! But I personally know ETC and he is a great friend and talented producer, while i can get what you are saying i still think that guy is an idiot

    • Moombah Messiah

      Co-sign ETC!ETC! One of the best producers out here!! nO GHOSTS NEEDED!

      INTERNET SOLLLLLLLLDDDIIIIEEEERRRRSSSSSSS ASSEMBLY!

    • Michael DjNappy Abernathy

      so you’re saying slayter produces for etc who hands the records to diplo… like logically that’s not even logical

    • Jason Fenmore

      ive sat next to jose while hes worked on music…dood makes his own shit and is damn good at it. big up my latino amigo<3

  • IKNOWTHETRUTH

    BTW Nappy, you are single handedly destroying this scene..Nobody really cares, you’re just bringing up shit nobody cares about Can we just have fun again? Fuck, You’re shutting doors for these kids trying to come up.

    • Desafinado

      if noone cares then why are you commenting?

    • Nicholas James Concklin

      Please explain how DAD is shutting doors on these kids

  • CALL EM OUT

    expose DVBBS. fakest in the game

    • vibras

      ellaborate?

      • Zippyshare

        They’re frauds. and if they aren’t frauds then they are still terrible producers who just copy and paste project files to make new songs..

    • Makvum

      saw them live in a small venue year and a half ago, press play/sync dj’s too…

      • H8er

        Press / Play no deejay!

    • James

      They are the worst fake little rockstar wannabes loved by silly & stupid american students, since the scene blew in America its been going downhill

  • Summer

    Great article , but unless we can teach the bros and ho’s about music, so they can understand about ghost producing it’s nit really going to make a difference. All artists in all types of music use them. The only difference is they list them and they get credit for their work on said song.

  • Guest

    I really like the article, and as an artist and enthusiasts of EDM, I find this interesting. But I think you hit a resonate chord here; does anyone else outside of the EDM discussion care? I have a brother who really got into EDM in the last year, but he doesn’t care at all about who makes the tunes. He finds the idea of ghost production puzzling. I say, inform everyone. I support this article and the stance your taking Nappy. Lets clean up EDM a bit!

    • Bimjo Baggins

      unfortunately most people don’t care about anything. apathy is one of the worse human traits.

      if you don’t care about who makes your music, you don’t really care about the music. it’s really that simple.

      your brother likes EDM. that’s it. he likes it. he enjoys it. but he doesn’t really CARE.

  • dude

    Most ghost producers make banging tracks for others, Why dont they make banging tracks for themselves? most of their Originals are way below average.

    • meh

      From what I’m aware of, ghost producers do MOST of the work. A lot of the producers here know how to produce and are good they just don’t have the time. The ghost producers could produce the track, then hand it off to the big name producer to be polished and mastered by a pro when an amateur doesn’t have the money to do so.

      • PhentheGhost

        Because no one cares if an unknown producer comes out with a bangin original. You need money and big support behind a solid track to gain traction, however if a ghost producer makes a track for lets say.. R3hab or any of the model turned Dj’s (take your pick), it will go top 10 on beatport regardless of how “bangin” it is… so financially it makes sense for the ghost producer to sell the record… Gotta pay the bills right ;)

        • http://www.rockthedub.com/ khal

          Then how do you explain ZHU’s rise?

  • EDM Edward Snowden

    “EDM” has long became a business, where agents market a specific artist as a product, just as Pop culture does. It’s really sick to see this happen to electronic music.

  • IKNOWTHETRUTH

    JUST KNOW THAT I KNOW THE TRUTH.

  • EDM Edward Snowden

    All you have to do is look at Tenashar, who’s a pretty Asian girl with no original productions, yet still managed to make the DJ Mag Top 100. You know her manager is out looking for ghost producers right now.

    • Bimjo Baggins

      bambibambibambibambibambi

      makes zero original music

  • TIGERBEAT

    MY MAN.

  • NAPPY

    HAHAHAHAHA OH WAIT NAPPY WROTE THIS?

    DUDES A FRAUD AND NEEDS TO HIT STEP BACK FROM THE KEYBOARD AND HIT THE TREADMILL

  • NAPPY

    YOU MAD NAPPY?! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • Michael DjNappy Abernathy

      Nope I know exactly who you are and really wish your website was good enough for you to find this embarrassing but *shrug*

  • NAPPY

    IS NAPPY BITCHING ABOUT SOMETHING AGAIN!!?!?!?!?!??!
    NO FUCKING WAY!!!! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!!!!!??!?!?

  • d

    Started making music like 3 years ago and at this point it feels like a fruitless effort because of this shit going on it;s nearly impossible to get any recognition

    • Nicholas James Concklin

      Which is truly depressing, but at the same time you should be making music for yourself above all else. Do it properly and a community will develop around you. It may not be a career per say, but art doesn’t need to be.

    • duh

      As Nicholas said, you shouldn’t be looking for recognition.
      You should make music for nobody but yourself.
      “Getting recognition” will come as a bonus if you’re lucky and dedicated

      • Michael DjNappy Abernathy

        art is the only industry where people applaud you for putting your heart into something without being compensated and that’s dumb. people also don’t make it organically ever anymore.

      • DBrett

        That is not what Nicholas said, do it for you above all else, not exclusively. Of course one should make art for recognition, art is for sharing with others, something one cannot do without recognition.
        The idea that art should be this terrible struggle is something business people made up so they could pay artists less. Please stop perpetuating the idea that art should be poor.

  • Dave Andersson

    Hear hear! Give your producers the credit they deserve, or make yer OWN damn music!

  • hdfh

    what about when that blog posted a new Hardwell & Dimitri Vegas collab and it ended up being ‘The Festival’ by MG808s

  • Josh

    This is amazing. As a struggling producer and Dj nothing pisses me off more then someone taking credit for someones else’s work. I support this massively!

  • Ty Davis

    i mean.. i totally agree with this article until the part with the “city DJ” not getting any exposure ..only for the fact that instead of this article you could have wrote one about said city DJ …instead… many (80%) of these posts on your site are about DJs that are already raking in millions or established somehow some way…im not bringing shame on DAD but neither am i bringing praise..idk just a thought

    • http://www.rockthedub.com/ khal

      80%? you sure?

    • Desafinado

      you have no idea what you are talking about… like nappy said, they’ve made over 6,000 posts in the last year and every time i check the site i dont see stuff about big artists…

  • UpHereAlone

    I have made good money ghostwriting. I don’t think it’s wrong to use it as another source of income in a business that can be financially fickle.

  • Deştin Jacøbvs

    I’m right behind ya.

  • Oddman

    If you guys had balls you would just name which DJ’s are guilty of using them, and cite specific tracks. You’re talking in circles.

    • Michael DjNappy Abernathy

      again. we don’t speculate. as soon as people that hand us facts stand next to those facts, we can have another conversation.

    • Jake

      It’s not a matter of balls, it’s a matter of doing things in a legal and ethical way.

  • Kimberly Richter

    If you take out the word EDM and replace it with just about any other genre in the music business, you get the same thing. Ghost writers and producers in Country, Pop, Hip Hop, et al, get burned all the time. It’s been part of the music business DNA for decades. I agree that it’s a shitty practice, but its one thats been part of the program for so long, I’m not sure jumping up and down making noise about it is going to do anything at all.

    I applaud your push towards honesty though. Can’t knock someone for wanting that.

    • Jake

      Old habits die hard.

    • mike joe

      exactly

    • revolvr

      no, they are producers. not “ghost” producers. The reason they are called ghost producers in EDM because the idea of a “DJ/Artist” is that they handle ALL aspects of DJ’ing, music production, mix down and engineering. The “jack of all”. In all other genres, it’s normal and accepted that there are a team of people behind that artist. They don’t hide that in the credits. Ghost producers support the illusion that the EDM artist doing everything him/herself.

      • Kimberly Richter

        We’re both right, in a sense. While it’s far more common for the “team behind the artist” to get credit in other genres, it’s not exclusively so either though. As a label VP for years, I saw several deals where the artist got credit for more work than they really did, be it songwriting credits, production or otherwise. Heck, I even witnessed a rapper take credit for hand-drawn cover art that was hired out by the label as a work-for-hire, with a nasty NDA behind it.

        I hear you though, and you’re right… It’s appears to be more prevalent, and outright in the EDM realm.

        • Jake

          I think you proved Revolvr’s point…the ‘artist’ is always getting more credit then the work they did.

  • Michael Berry

    Looking for ghosts 2 maek deep house bangerz. Paying 4 PLURs per chune

  • mikejoe

    great article, but as far as others fighting the good fight – do you think any movie-goers give a care that nicholas cage didn’t write his own lines??? that ciara didn’t invent that new move? that gissell didn’t sew that dress? they dgaf. the whole culture is about monetizing the spectacle. its all for show and its all utterly disposable. its about business and your brand. ghost writing is a logical expression of that, regardless of industry.

    • http://www.rockthedub.com/ khal

      If Nic Cage isn’t listed as the writer on the movies he acts in, why would I think he wrote the lines? Not the same thing.

    • Bimjo Baggins

      The people that you mention, screenwriters, choreographers, designers, get credited. They get acknowledgement that their work is theirs. Not sold to someone else. There so far apart it makes me wonder if you understand this article at all. Did you actually read it?

  • D.P.

    A little bit TL;DR but if it happens it happens. For parties to knowingly jump back and say oh nevermind it was a mistake or whatever, they are probably being compensated in some sort of fashion, otherwise they’d have a nice lawsuit on their hands. Unfortunately this is how every business goes. Things ALWAYS happen behind the scenes…

  • Ghost Of Len Bias

    As an EDM neophyte, just so I’m in the clear, is this people mixing/engineering without credit, or full-on Milli Vanilli-ing beats?

  • Eddie Flores

    i’ll be honest I didn’t care about ghost production until this article , you really put things in perspective.

  • G-Buck

    Yo, Yo…Is this where the party is at?

  • lil louie v

    Don’t seem to have this problem with actual dance music. This is what happens when you get White corporate America involved hahaha. Could give less of a shit about some millionaire guetta wannabe jacking beats from other guetta wannabes.

  • ownglow

    carnage is a fucking fake..

    j/s

  • John Disgraceland Stanhope

    Here’s a response from an engineer…

    • Bimjo Baggins

      I actually disagree so much with this guy and I’m surprised he takes the attitude he does, if in fact he actually is an engineer.

      If you’re following someone else’s plan, a la his sub-contractor analogy, why would you get credit outside your paycheck? Many more people can put in a new island in the kitchen than people who can figure out the best way to design, and position all the elements of that kitchen to look new.

      Mastering is just that. It is not creating. It is helping get a piece of music to the best, most accessible version of itself that it can be. It is not inherently creative. And for most music, the engineers who help create the peice, and they do help create it, do get credited.

      What is so hard to understand about this concept? Ghostwriting only applies to someone selling a piece of work, that they did the majority of the original creative work on. Ghostwriting in the book world happens all the time, it’s fine, it’s when it goes uncredited, and people claim to have talents they do not, that it’s a problem.

  • christatic

    I heard some guy named Joel Zimmerman was behind all of Deadmau5′s tracks LOL! ( okay i admit that’s the lamest edm joke anyone’s ever made ever ) still you gotta hand it to him…he has proved his productions skills by streaming and explaining what he is doing online and sharing pretty useful tips on how to produce. If you can’t talk the talk you most likely can’t walk the walk… Jon Hobotech Margulies is another one…though much less famous he has made a name for himself not only by putting out good tunes but, by teaching and sharing his knowledge and basically being more of an open book about his methods.

  • Matthew

    I understand all the concern and buzz around the ghost producer thing. I also want to bring up another question and thought. It is very well known that vocalists/singers often hire lyricists to write the lyrics to their songs a huge percentage of the time. Typically, those lyricists don’t get the credit they deserve as well. I think when most people see an album come out by a major artists (Kanye, Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake, etc.) most people don’t automatically think they created every single part of the album. I think most people realize that many producers, engineers, background vocalists, etc. are used in the process. I don’t understand why people think that dance music is any different. In the end it is just a different style of music and it is business. If people think the “EDM” scene is going to magically be somehow extremely honest and open about everything that it is kinda crazy and naive. I think ghost producers deserve credit for their work! But, is it ever going to change? That I don’t know. Is it enough to just list the name of the producer that helped create the song under the “producer” category as a co-producer? I don’t know. I applaud Tiesto for making an episode of his “in the booth” series saying he gets help from other producers to make his songs as well as showing the guys and showing he works with them. That to me is being open and honest. I don’t think it is going to ever go away at this point because EDM has gone so commercial . It has practically invited big business in to run massive clubs and massive festivals and events. Along with commercialization, usually creativity and talent lowers because big money wants stability. It is kind of like the old saying talking about the more trucks of equipment (lights, smoke, lasers, etc.) an artist uses, the less talent the artist usually has. Plus, going back to producers…many producers just want to make music in their home and that’s it. They don’t want to get huge and famous. I don’t know specifically but I would assume that many are fed a decent check and an NDA and told to go away. That I don’t think is cool at all because it is not being real..BUT it is legitimate business and usually big money wins the game. Just take a look into serious big name novel writers that use ghost writers for much of their work!

  • Ian S

    Its been too long since someone blew up from their own merit. :/

  • http://icnt.mx/ icnt.mx

    stopped reading at “competitive music”

  • kersh2099

    As dance music becomes more mainstream, so does the music itself. Do you think people like One Direction, Katy Perry and Ke$ha have people crying out that their song writers deserve recognition?
    If the ghost writers get paid, and that is what the ghost writers want, then what does it matter?
    No one is forcing them to write for the big names.

  • H8er

    I dont believe in ghost at all, even if my friend is seeing dead people
    this is as lame as free2play or the new shit from valve software, where you pay for early accsess.

    Someone do the work and you reap the reward

    Hey Guetta, you fakest shit of all, you hear?

    Ghostproducers NO
    Producing ghosts YES

  • durkkooistra

    So you think ghost producers are making things they would have made under their own moniker? Hahaha. It’s a job, not an artform…

  • duchessochaos

    i started listening to house music and techno in 1994. I have LovED going to clubs, undergrounds, raves, festivals for many years. I had to read Generation Ecstasy, and hang out with some dj’s before I understood anything about the music. There is a line that separates us the dancefloor and the edm lovers from those who go to these edm events not because they love to dance or they love the music but because its where you can get fucked up. It was ten years before i moved from the ignorant baby raver to the educated music lover I am now so evinced by the first massive rave I went too where i had a schedule of djs i had to see play… when did I notice the ghost producers? when I was trying to figure out what made me dance… because a dj just plays records in a club…. who the hell makes the sounds on that record? I had learned this one for my self by checking out a few acts live and finding out they were nothing like that track i had loved…i didn;t know that ghost producers existed but i realized the person spinning didn’t play anything but other peoples tracks, some were better at it than others, I detested most of the top twenty, the year i Had my first schedule of who i had to see at edc glitch mob, krafty kuts, and Z-trip were not to be missed and i couldn’t be bothered with the main stage featuring moby… i read some more about dj’s and producers and read this article about bt a dj who ade his own tracks by recording sounds from the world around him and making loops/samples .. and also used in his sets. That was when i decided i really only wanted ttufefocus on hybrid dj’s? because that was kinda better in my head than someone who just spun other peoples music?i wanted someone to sound similar live to their music i heard at home. There are so very many truly heart wrenchingly awful djs getting bookings and money while many ghost producers toil for little reward. Someone not getting the credit at the very least after getting shisted on not only the publishing royalties downloads ticket sales ect. if they had any name/brand recognition before ghostwriting that fades pretty quick… so that meager payout to the ghost producer that they are so happy with? what happens when he teaches abelton to an intern and then that superstar DJ or that label realizes they can get an younger naive eager student to do it for free? yes that’s the utter sickening side of it…
    In my years on the dance floor which i consider my church at this point i can say I’ve had some truly ecstatic unforgettable moments the first time i heard Ztrip? mashed up jane says by janes addiction with my nigga by jay z and that was the first time i figured out how exactly one pop locked. edc 2009? Ztrip again… but this year on the dance floor i reached the end of my quest on was it the dj or the producer making me dance? at Monday night social on the stanton warriors dance floor i met my boyfriend who at the advanced age of 42 still busted a pretty mean windmill and i found out it wasn’t the dj or the producer it was whoever was their ghost producer and alot of the time including that article i read? yeah he taught that guy and also spun his sets, produced his beats, and got replaced by interns…one half of digital assasins also known as carlos dirti cow vasquez. Im under no nda so i don’t have to worry so much about disclosure and if you ask him of course hell deny it. I am aN EDM geek who loves to dance till the break of dawn and i would far prefer it if the industry could maybe put their efforts behind the actual makers of the music as opposed to the milli vanilli charade that it is now… cause its a farce for the most part. the instyle after party this year for the golden globes a dj that trainwrecked every transition with auto sync i was wincing every 2 to 3 minutes as dj michelle pesce butchered her set and no one seemed to notice.. true everyone is pretty drunk by that point so there really aint no accounting for taste but i was so horribly offended that at an exclusive as hell party like that they couldn’t find a decent dj? I have MANY STARVING friends who are unbelievable dj’s y was she playing? her PR profile is pretty damn good all the right pictures doing all the right things but ive been in the LA scene for over ten years ive never heard of her…
    DEAR Gods Of Music Please stop the posing milli vanilli dj’s from getting recognition fame or paychecks please put the real music makers in their place. please make the edm listeners realize that tiesto moby and oakenfold are not the only people in edm…. and to any that care to broaden their horizon past the top twenty check out some san francisco house& space cowboys dj seven Jeno Lance Desardi Saccao Adriatique Sound Clap Wolf and Lamb Amanda Blank, adventure club. pretty lights …. cause id rather listen to music like that on my dance floor. if more people listen to that maybe theyll play out more

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  • stupocalypse

    Ahhh, EDM in the US….

    • http://www.rockthedub.com/ khal

      as opposed to EDM in Europe?

      • stupocalypse

        Doesn’t exist mate, it’s just dance music…

        • http://www.rockthedub.com/ khal

          Bologna. Most of the biggest “EDM” DJs aren’t American.

          • stupocalypse

            Missing point. EDM new term made up by yanks

          • http://www.rockthedub.com/ khal

            you’re not making a point. you’re just saying “bah, EDM, yanks,” which is a tired response.

          • stupocalypse

            Bah, EDM, yanks.